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A Plea to All Uploaders of Old Stuff

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Tarot Redhand
A Plea to All Uploaders of Old Stuff

Would it be possible for you to pause in uploading the modules and to concentrate on the tilesets and other Custom Content instead. There is logic behind this request. Having the modules is great but when some of them won't run because there are missing hak issues... And the main culprit of this is more liable to be missing tilesets than anything else I suspect. This also impacts on new modules as well. I (and many others) have accumulated loads of haks etc. over the years but there is no point in my making things using haks if the finished product can't be used because the haks aren't there to download.

Oh and one other thing can the people who upload stuff please remember to include the creators name/handle/whatever in the tags section and to separate each word of the title with a comma when that is placed in the tags as well. With the way the search functions work on the new vault, it makes stuff so much easier to find.

Thanks for reading the ramblings of a near senile old cat.

TR

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xorbaxian
hear, hear! :) there are quite a few mods i'd like to play but can't because they're missing haks.
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rjshae

It seems like it would be good practice to make sure all of the listed dependencies are available when a module is loaded.

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Turkeys (not verified)

Yeah, I make sure to either create a new project page for required HAKs or bundle them in a seperate .RAR if they're module-specific. There are a few which require HAK files which have since gone missing or are corrupted unfortunately (The RLCore Modules fall victim to this).

I've noticed lots of people downloading the 'Main File' RARs and neglecting to download the 'HAK Files' RAR as well. You need both (and any other supplementals like music etc.) in order to run modules. If you do come across modules which are missing their required HAK files please report it so it can be addressed though.

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Proleric
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rjshae wrote "It seems like it would be good practice to make sure all of the listed dependencies are available when a module is loaded"

Abolutely. I see migrating required haks as an inherent part of module loading. Missing ones should be reported as broken links or required files, as the case may be.

I really have no idea how to tag anything, though. We need a standard, with active moderation, as previously mentioned.

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Tarot Redhand

I may have the RLCore haks in my hak folder if they start RLC_*. Even so I do not have the original archives they came in. Which means I don't have the original readme's or any other documentation. There are 10 haks in total for around 419 meg which compresses to 85 meg 7z.

What I am missing is the dla underdark tileset. Actually most dla stuff apart from the sewers doesn't seem to have made it yet.

TR

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Tarot Redhand

I use the following method when I tag stuff (my own and OP's when I was doing migration direct from the old vault last year. First who created it? Do they have an achronym? Which for myself gives - Tarot, Redhand, TR - Working in the belief that most people are lazy I didn't bother with either Tarot or Redhand. Which means that just by typing TR in search will bring up a list of all my projects.

The next thing I look at is the project title. Drop any irrellavent small words and separate what's left by commas. So for example, for my module "A is for Adventure 0" this just gives us one word - Adventure.

Now obviously this is a little short on what is needed in order to find the module so the next thing I do is look in the description for what to me are key-words. Fortunately the very first sentence gives me what I need. It tells me that it is a short introduction to a series of modules. So this gives me three more words for the tags - Short, Intro, Series.

This then is the final tags in the order they are on the page - TR, Intro, Series, Adventure, Short.

Now normally I try to keep each tag as a single word. Occasionally there will be a short phrase that it is necessary to use. So for example the tags for my "Micro Maps Version 2" looks like - Micro, Maps, Version 2, V2, TR.

The thing to remember about tags is that they are there to help people to find things. So to my mind this means try to keep them to single words when possible.

Hope this helps and doesn't add to the confusion.

TR 

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Turkeys (not verified)

Yes, that would most likely be them. It would be good to at least have the actual content saved on here as there is already one module uploaded that requires them and another Ravenloft one that I skipped due to not having a copy of them available. Here is the Rolovault link so you can see if it matches up :

The RLCore Ravenloft Core Systems (Beta 0.16)

Index Page (Old IGN Vault Information)

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Proleric
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Problem is, tags are a human invention, not an inherent property of the works themselves. I might have an opinion on how to classify something, but whether anyone else sees it that way is unclear until there's explicit mutual agreement. That tends not to happen spontaneously, because, over and above matters of taste, people do all sorts of different activities, each with their own needs (I speak from years of experience of doing this in food retailing). That's why I'm looking for an agreed taxonomy, with system controls and active moderation to assure compliance.

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rjshae

Just pondering the possibilities: a tag lookup button brings up a dialog box showing the currently available picks arranged in a simple, but evolving heirarchy. There'd be a team to organize the picks in a sensible tree and group like items, with a script to do batch tag renames.

Kind of like how Wikipedia categories work, with their endless pedantic debates about every little tedious nuance.

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akinliat

Well the current system does have an autocomplete feature, so if you want to see if certain tags are in use, you need only type the first few letters. All the tags that use those letters should appear in a dropdown. It's not perfect, but I suspect it's underutilized.

I seem to remembers that we started a conversation about organization and taxonomies, but we never did come up with any answers about what categories/terms would be useful.

Akin

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Tarot Redhand

I have now checked and yes I do have haks with the same name as the archives and the tlk file as well. However I can't find the user guide and without it I can't make much use of the stuff. So what I am going to do is to put a request out on the Bioboards for the original archives and other stuff that has a size of 0.

Right I've put up the request in the last 2 mins.

TR

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rjshae

The total number of click-throughs could probably be tracked for all tags. Over time, that metadata might prove useful.

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Tarot Redhand

I am glad to see that someone let you have copies of the haks. Does this include the tlk file as well? If not I do have that. One of the reasons I didn't send the haks (apart from trying to find the original archives) was that I am low on my monthly data allowance. I hope someone sends you the user guide as I haven't got that.

TR

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Turkeys (not verified)

Yeah, it includes everything except for the User Guide, but I did leave a message on the project page in case somebody comes across and does have it. It'll pop up eventually I suppose.

Edit - And what do you know - It has thanks to Monsinyana!  =)

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