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GamingIO site ripping our stuff?

Spotted on the web:

 
 
 
No reply from the webmaster... maybe not a big deal, but in breach of open, non-commercial terms, I'd say.

NWN and DAO adventures at http://proleric.com/

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Turkeys (not verified)

I think this thread sheds some light on the issue. It looks like they might be trying to keep a backup as well due to older sites going out? It could also just be an excuse to take content off other sites.

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Fester Pot

I like the blurb under Mods Addons and Fixes - "You must be author or provide permissions to GamingIO in writing from Author."
 

Never gave permission to host Almraiven and Shadewood there. Only Nexus and NWNVault receive my direct help and support. Ah well.

FP!

 

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TheBarbarian

Huh. Wonder where they're getting the idea that the new vault is going down and the content must be rescued.

Ah well. Yay for producing content other people feel is worth ripping/saving, though. :D Clearly we may rightfully boogie the boogie of CC success. ::boogies::

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Proleric
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Yes, there is some opportunism here. Obviously, this vault isn't going to close any time soon. Note the weasel words in GamingIO's forum post (now locked, how convenient) - they say "some sites are closing" then "here is a list of sites", allowing the reader to infer that the two statements are connected when they aren't.

I've also received e-mail from another opportunist at the Nexus telling me NWN hosting is closing down so I should post my stuff with them. Which will happen when a very hot place freezes over, given their shabby behaviour generally, and their hostility to open licencing in particular.

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Vanya Mia

Hrrmm... I'm not particularly happy about the hosting of a project with no way to control the development of the content. Has anyone been in touch with him directly?

"I took Skill Focus: Craft Disturbing Mental Image as my feat last level." Belkar, OOTS

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Werelynx

On one hand it is nice to have a backup, but some projects don't permit reposting as such.

Update us on any contact from them, please.

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boodah

Kinda dislike the fact that they don't mention the original author in many cases.

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Andarian

Thanks for the heads-up about this. I see that my mod is on it as well.

It's interesting that this was done when Sanctum has an explicit warning that it contains copyrighted content and refusing permission to re-host it anywhere. I don't even give the Neverwinter Vault permission to host the actual module files, which are only available from my website. And what's worse, they're hiding the download behind a registration barrier. I can't even see what they've uploaded without setting up an account.

Hopefully it won't be needed, but I'll be taking assertive action if necessary to have the page removed. I'll follow up and let you know what happens.

EDIT: I also just noticed that their pages specifically assert that the content is available under an MIT license, which is a permissive form of freeware. They clearly got it from here (it's not available anywhere else), and that is clearly inconsistent with the license terms stated on my Vault page.

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Andarian

And here's more proof (although I suppose we hardly need it) that they're ripping the content directly from the Neverwinter Vault. Its upload of the Intimate Animations Suite includes the same incorrect use of an image from The Sight as on the Neverwinter Vault, incorrectly attributing it the Intimate Animations Suite, and including the disclaimer that I put on the Vault page myself pointing out the mistake.

EDIT: More info. The owning site (gamingio.com) has Facebook and Twitter pages, and a separate website presence from the forums where the mods were found (under the same domain). The owning site also has a contact link. Their address is listed in Singapore:

Seas Cloud Pte Ltd.
40C Hong kong Street
Singapore 059679
Email: pwnt AT gamingio DOT com
USA/Canada Toll Free Number: 1-855-IAM-NOOB

I've used their form to send a letter requesting that they remove my module. I'll follow up with email to the address above, and snail mail and a phone call if necessary.

EDIT2: I tried to report the page, but it wouldn't allow me to do so without being signed in to an account. I redirected me to email the moderator instead, which I did.

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Proleric
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I am also pursuing this, because two components of Dark Energy are copyright-protected by the original author (as noted in the Permission Detail). In any case, GamingIO are arguably in breach of the very generous Creative Commons licence under which the main work is published.

I've tried an old-fashioned webmaster e-mail, but it bounced.

Following a DCMA tutorial, so far I have contacted the Domain WhoIs abuse channel, Wild West Domains (sic), who deny all responsibility, but have referred me to the Network WhoIs abuse channel, which I understand to be linode.com. We'll see.

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bannor9

From what I can see, they also do not even bother to notify the end users what GAME the content actually belongs to.  Unless it is hidden behind a required login account.  Which of course, I refuse to give them.

Sad, but typical of Far Eastern  and even some European sites.   Steal anything they find, most of which is found because of traffic hints by web-crawlers seeing traffic at a given site etc... not even bothering to see what the orginal site is about or what rules are present there.

But hey, it is a free web right?  I mean everything on the web is free right?  At least that seems to be the feelings of a huge number of folks all over the place.  Getting worse with the millenials also it seems.  They tend to believe that if they can click a link, it belongs to them anyway.

 

And NO, I do NOT believe those statements about things being free simply because they exist on the web.  As many may already know, I firmly believe that folks have the right to reserve usage of anything they create.




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PLUSH HYENA of DOOM

This has my hackles seriously raised and rabid foam frothing from my jaws even more than usual...

I note these Stinkers of Stink, whoever they are, have thieved some, perhaps all, of my Haks and the only reason there's any suggestion of my authorship is because they've failed to delete the overstated PHoD Whassname labels I apply to everything with a big brick. And I note they've reposted the precise words we, the original authors, used here to describe our work - or in my case just foam on about big bricks and completely irrelevant things... These words are also presented, by implicit inference, to be in some way the creation and/or property of this "hazephase" which is doubtless an umbrealla term for a cabal of reeking little Spleens hell bent on being gobshites.

So, anybody got any idea of what the actual PURPOSE of this so-called GamingIO site is? It appears to consist of lots of content for assorted games - even a download of KotOR offered, presumably as a complete game, amongst the Mods stuff... Is that even legal? Should we tell BioWare in the hope that their lawyers can just stamp on the site and kill it firmly dead?

In terms of NWN, there are CC Haks, Modules; a totally shambolic, unrelated and ecletic mess really, with no specific pattern. Why those particular things?

I really have to wonder deeply what POINT the site is supposed to serve. That it is genuinely there to provide a serious "backup" resource for gamers is patently ludicrous, with a fairly small handful of stuff grabbed from several different, unrelated games... The fact that almost eveything on there records zero downloads is probably telling...

As the site is largely a blank wall without registration which - going with the majority for once,  - I also refuse to do, it's hard to dig about hunting ulterior motives. Is there a commercial element - fees for downloads OR getting more or less legit companies to advertise on their site as they claim to be a major hub for gamers...? I think I shall send them an e-mail of Hyenaesque growling noises with a dirty great big brick attached.

Or maybe just point rabidly with an overstated cry of "AAAHH" as I've been proven more or less right and thus just cease to have any contact with the internet whatsoever...

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PLUSH HYENA of DOOM

Hm. I notice there ARE indeed adverts from companies like Amazon plastered on this "GamingIO" Spleen McSpleen Site of Gelatinous Little Spleens.

So I guess that's the PURPOSE. They put up a site at a cost of X, fill it with stuff they thieve from assorted other gaming sites, pretend they're an actual gaming site themselves, get adverts from companies too brainsucked to bother actually checking anything out and thus rake in advertising fees of Xplus. Nice little earner I should think.

Especially given that they're probably running who knows how many other similar parasitic little endeavours.

Then they put themselves on Facebook and Twitter and all that rubbish in order that a number of confused and curious persons might actually look at the garbage site so that they can claim to potential advertisers that they have X number of visitors to their site.

Hm.

Spleens. As I thought.

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Tarot Redhand

There is a simple way that this site can in some measure be fought against. The reason I qualify that sentence "in some measure" is because it depends on a browser addin. I am talking about the Web of Trust browser addin. This addin is available for most browsers  (not ie unfortunately).

So what do you need to do? First get the addin installed. Then follow the link at the start of this post. Click on the WoT icon (on the vault it looks like a green doughnut). Set both the Trustworthiness and Child Safety sliders all the way to the left. Also leave a comment regarding gamingIO's cavalier attitude to copywrite. That should be all you need to do.

OK so what should this do? This addin allows users to rate any web site. When those who use it do a search on google they will see a small icon against each item in the list of their results. The colour of this icon varies from green for a wholey trustworthy site to red for avoid like the plague. Not only that. Should a user of WoT try to go to such a site, WoT displays a warning message and asks if you really want to go there.

Currently (after I set my ratings to red) it is down to 60% trustworthiness. Let's see if we can't turn it red. That way we should be able to reduce the footfall that, that execrable site receives and (if PHoD's supposition is right) their revenues.

One thing I find ironic is that their domain provider is Wild West Domains (according to WhoIs) as they (gamingIO not WWD) appear to be a right bunch of cowboys. WWD have both a Facebook page and a twitter account. I wonder if public embarrasment would be of use there?

TR

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Tarot Redhand

One thing I noticed on the gamingIO site is that they have a number of full games for download. One of these is called "Treasure Adventure Game". Currently you can legitimately download this for free from GOG. On a hunch I visited Robit Games (makers of said game) site. On the web page for that game there is a list of 4 places where this game can legitimately be downloaded from - gamingIO is not one of them. So I left a message for Robit Games telling them about this. Let's see if anything happens.

TR

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rjshae

Unless you can get a take-down order on the site or get them black listed, it seems pointless worrying about that. There will always be parasites.

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Tarot Redhand

The thing is these particular parasites appear to be commiting plagiarism.

TR

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rjshae

Well then there's a few suggestions here, including registering with DMCA and adding a "do not copy" badge.

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Proleric
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The Network Whois abuse channel, linode.com, declined to identify the site owner, but offered to pass on an informal takedown request. All that happened as a result was that a page I used as an example was removed, but all my stuff (and yours) is still there. I could raise a DCMA but I probably can't be bothered.

PS beware of registering at unethical sites.
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PLUSH HYENA of DOOM

What about Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles with Spleenonic Warheads?

Do we have those?

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rjshae

We have intercontinental bullistic missiles. Does that count?

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Tarot Redhand

I have tried registering on the site a number of times. All unsuccessful I might add. Before you panic over this I used a great firefox plugin called "Bloody Vikings" (obvious Monty Python spam sketch reference.) What that does is to simplify the use of a site offering temporary email addresses. You get to choose which site to use from a list of about 20.

Anyway, what happens when you try to register is that it goes through the motions but at the end nothing happens.

TR

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rjshae

Probably need to feed more coins into the machine... wink

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PLUSH HYENA of DOOM

Thus explaining the reeking great lack of any apparent activity whatsoever on the site, blatant lack of members, eerily rubbish total absence of forum posting worth a damn, no significant downloads on anything there...

Seems I was right. It's just a dead zone, a facade, a sham - a black hole dressed with OUR work, and others, to make it look like a legitimate internet gaming site so as to attract the financial rewards of selling advertizing space to imbecile companies who can't spot an OBVIOUS SPLEEN when they're confronted with one.

In other words, it seems plain to me that GamingIO are a fraudulant concern making commerical use out of our unpaid work by ripping off the companies paying them for advertizing space when, in truth, chances are that nobody ever sees the site except a few vengeful and embittered artists such as ourselves who are thus hardly likely to look favourably upon any advert there even if we stopped long enough to wipe rabid foam off the monitor and look at them.

Perhaps making a list of the companies and contacting them to tell them they're being ripped off might be efficacious.

Failing that... reaches for improbably immense Big Brick...

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rjshae

Perhaps it would help if searching on NWN forums or NWN2 forums would give this site a higher ranking? Right now its down around fifth place on Google. I know there are methods to improve a site ranking, and I've found those to be helpful in the past.

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PLUSH HYENA of DOOM

Currently hideously busy... Only just got round to talking to Linode - who seem very helpful and straightforward - we shall see what comes of that...

More to the point, I notice that since I had to abandon the matter almost a month ago due to work commitments - you can't spend four and half months in a jungle without having an awful lot of stained, unreadable field notes to write up into allegedly learned papers afterwards - this conversation has apparently died of Myxomatosis or some similar rodent disorder.

Without in any way wishing to spark some Colossal Rampaging Fartstorm of contention, I feel compelled to just ask whether "THE VAULT" (this site collectively, or more specifically those who are its overseers and whip-wielding imperators) actually have any "official" response to this matter? Does anybody else but me REALLY care?

I'm just curious to know, not necessarily specifically with regards this precise instance but to any and all such things collectively, whether this site actually has any coherent, from-the-top response or general policy whatsoever of any kind? Or are such things to be ignored completely as being a particularly distasteful shade of pink?

Naturally, it's hardly to be expected that the site can prevent and deter all such thieving parasites and filthy, gelatinous little Spleens from doing bad and evil stuff, but, certainly when dealing with something of the level of a total, wholesale scrape of the entire site by Recidivist Baboons, should there not be some sort of actual, authorised "official" response from "THE VAULT" as a whole?

After all, since more or less everything is now, I believe, migrated from the old IGN Vault or must be getting there anyway, this site essentially represents more than a decade of hard work by a great many individuals, some of it of astounding quality, works people have in some cases put months or even years of their lives into. To a degree all the many authors, myself included, who have contributed to the vast and impressive pile of Custom Content for NWN over the years, have abdicated a certain degree of control and responsibility for their works simply by shareing it with the Community in the first place, but, with this site now the semi-official, sort of Last Man Standing, self-stated Repository for the toils and passions of many artists over many years, should the site not therefore - even if there's realistically not a colossal amount they could do, save maybe asking Linode to ask GamingIO to remove everything they took en masse in the fashion of an embittered gestalt entity - if nothing else, make a solemn statement of some kind to soothe our fevered brows?

This site was set up - as I understood it - to save and preserve everything we'd all piled up on the IGN Vault and since. That makes this site, in essence, the self-appointed guardians of our labours. Aren't guardians supposed to at least NOTICE hostile incursions?

Then again, maybe my brow is the only fevered one around here, since nobody's said anything about this for a month.

Develops expression of hideously misplaced cunning and reaches for a yet even more gargantuan brick...

 

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time bandit
@ PHoD We have been "pwnd!" to say it in internet hood slang. Simply too nice. Maybe too dumb, or too clumsy. Maybe simply out of luck. Let me give some examples, and you may look over my lousy, broken english: - Kim Dotcom: Multi millionaire due to his upload platforms. - Shiny Flakes, low life, human sc!m & internet drug dealer: multi millionaire - Kino.to guys, currently on the run, multi- millionaires, still making money with their site. - A chemistry student, multi millionaire as well nowadays, selling drugs, he has manipulated on a atomar basis, via the internet. He´s not even a criminal, because this new molecule is not declared as drug by the law. There´s no difference between the site gamingio and these guys. None. Ok, ok. It is not the same level, but the same concept. The same story. Complain, moan, scream, shout, what you want... and yes, you´re absolutly right. But I tell you what: no one cares. I bet the owner is hidden very well in the internet. It sucks, but there´s nothing you can do about it. Sorry.
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Turkeys (not verified)

On the positive side, GamingIO hasn't had a download added since July 9th or even a comment on their forums since late June. I don't know about how easy it is to get a site like that shuttered, but there isn't much that can be done to prevent these situations from occurring. The one thing I can think of is a tight membership policy, which would make projects hidden unless users had permissions in order to access that side of the site. That's a draconian approach in my opinion though, and I feel it would have a negative effect in the long-run and go against the idea of the Vault, assuming it would be technically feasible for the site. There's also still the chance that someone would get through the cracks and try to share stuff outside as well.

I think that the Nexus had to deal with a similar situation. The site was gmods or something like that...forget exactly what it was called. With all this in mind, it's a good idea to have some contingency plan on what to do if this happens again.

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time bandit
@ Turkeys All uploaded projects were hand-picked. Only the good stuff. I´m not Sherlock Holmes, but I would say he was a long time member/player/modder. Maybe he was pissed, someone was rude, or people didn´t listen to his precious poetry readings. Who knows. In my opinion the only protection is, to "know" what you upload. You give it away. That must be absolutely clear.
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kamal

yes, gmods. And they were trying to make money by selling access to the mods. When I sent their ceo an email because some of my work was there without them asking me I got an "ummm.... sorry" apology. gmod went nowhere.

 

As for this GamingIO site. I don't think any website can stop people from grabbing the content and putting it elsewhere without permission. That site seems to be going nowhere and not registering any attention from the internet. I don't know what to make of it.

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bannor9

Well, as suggested above, I re-activated my account on Web Of Trust, and gave these guys a bad rating for Plagiarism and theft.  Maybe it won't matter as few people actually utilize the Web Of Trust, as in I had to re-activate my account  since I have not actually had the plugin installed on my computer for a couple of years... to the point where I forgot what my password was etc...

 

Anyway, all we can really do is complain and otherwise just ignore them or at least not comment to the point where we are actually driving folks to visit their site.

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PLUSH HYENA of DOOM

Turkeys:- Thanks for providing what amounts to pretty much the only "official" reply it's possible to make... Don't worry - I wasn't actually expecting anyone to charge forth on our behalf as a nebulous gestalt entity and hit things with bricks. It's up to each of us as individuals to deal with our individual stolen files. And obviously the more of us who respond to something like this, the more notice a provider like Linode - more on that below - will take notice...

Without being really personal, since the same sentiments have echoed across the entire internet and beyond from too many billions to count, Time-Bandit's almost offensively pointless response (the first one) to a query over an "official line" which theirs is assuredly not, is a wonderful example of the gutless apathy that is one of the two biggest causes of "bad stuff" in the debased cesspit of so-called human society. The same old pathetic mewling of "oh, bad stuff happens, there's nothing you can do about it". That kind of apathetic gobshite has always nauseated me to chunderpoint.

When the attitude of the victims is a feeble wail of "there's nothing you can do" and "oh, well, who cares anyway" then OBVIOUSLY the Spleens are going to keep doing bad stuff and OBVIOUSLY they're going to get away with it 'cause the clinically moribund, so-called victims ask for it - beg for it even - with this anaemic attitude of just taking any kind of shit anyone cares to give them. Time-Bandit's rubbish dribble is not an isolated case. It's contemporary human standard, it had me foaming back on the BioWare Forums too occasionally. And it's totally contemptible. In the face of things infinitely more important than mere game sites pissing on each other, people still just sit there and mumble "oh well there's nothing you can do". RRRRRGGHH! There are no words for how much I despise this useless weakness.

There's (almost) always SOMETHING you can do - if you're just prepared to get off your malingering arse and do it. Maybe you won't win, but if you can hurt the enemy, even inconvenience him severely, make him earn his prize, then it's something. Personally, if someone crosses me, I fight back in whatever way I can. OK, this GamingIO thing is a completely petty and trivial matter, but Plush Hyenas operate on the principle of a thing, not the magnitude. Sort of like Hammurabi's "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth", except without the equality. Someone crosses me and I'll do everything I can to utterly destroy them, even over something petty. I've always been vindictive by nature, can't help it, like the old pounce reflex, it just won't go away.

Now, if there IS a GamingIO "spy" in our midst, then they can report back to their Spleen Overlords the fact that I am going to pursue them to the very Fires of Hell before I give up and mumble "oh, there's nothing you can do" like a squashed bug. If I'm forced to, I will list every advertiser who pays for their miserable site and contact each of them personally, telling them GamingIO are a cabal of criminals and that advertising on their site is A a waste of money and B a slur on their own company names. I shall also advise advertising agents who place ads on behalf of companies in the same way. If I must I will use my contacts in the Press, I will sully myself by talking to lawyers, I will follow every available legal path, and I will, if I really must waste their time as well as my own, call upon my friends in India, Japan and Brunei to do on the spot investigating with regards the address in Singapore and other clues which seem, at present to point toward Asia. There are other things I can do as well, but I'm not mentioning those as to do so might constitute a useful warning for the Spleens. But, the internet, excellent hiding place as it is, is NOT impenetrable. People CAN be isolated and found. The last cabal of Spleens as messed me about on the internet, as was a matter of record back on the BioWare Forums, I hunted down and took great delight in physically pushing their stinking faces in. Actually, Natasha did most of the pushing in, I mostly just destroyed their most treasured possessions.

Ridiculous hyperbole this may sound. It isn't. Just intransigence past the bounds of sanity and reason. I have a mental aberration which means I just can't let things go once I've got my teeth in them. Not until I've destroyed them. (Not that Bannor9's comment about drawing attention to the Spleens isn't a very good point). I'm still only at the "irritated" level just now, not the "angry" level, not actually angry. Yet. So if GamingIO take my stuff off their putrid site now, I'm prepared to lower my hackles and stop foaming rabidly and baring my fangs.

Linode. The service provider upon whose network the Spleens had their site. Very courteous, helpful and professional people and provided me with some interesting information... However, in their filthy, debased scum way, GamingIO have apparently attempted to run away and hide. They have shifted their nasty, reeking site over to a German service provider, Hetzner. I have followed the trail, nose to the ground, and am now in communication with Hetzner regarding the GamingIO Spleens and their Spleen activities. If they think shifting provider is going to get rid of me, they're wrong. Meanwhile, I'm gathering options for more aggressive attacks if the "easy way" fails.

The place to address complaints about GamingIO for anyone else who can actually be bothered, is thus now abuse@hetzner.de - not to be confused with their affiliated South African company.

To the Pits of Tartarus with "there's nothing you can do". Obviously, anything we put on the internet has a chance of being messed with in ways we do not want. It's a given. But that doesn't mean we just let it happen without registering disapproval in the strongest possible terms with any and all available resources... If you WANT to be trampled on, fine, lie there and be squashed. Me, if I'm trampled on I bite the Spleens on the foot. And if this doesn't work, next time I'm going for GamingIO's throat.

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bannor9

I have not fully investigated what these creeps have on their site, I went ONCE to double check the first post regarding copyright infringement, but I did NOT search for any content that I might actually have rights too, most especially since I released all of my content to the web freely with the one exception of one Tileset that I technically am not the only contributor too, so I can NOT release it without the restrictions that the other "owners" have placed on it.

 

Basically, what I am saying, is that I have nothing I can honestly claim was mine that was "stolen" so I can't honestly claim such an action to the current hosts.  If you have links of specific things that I could point to, things that I could then use as a valid claim of copyright infringment etc, I would be glad to add my voice to the throng, although, it appears that this "throng" is actually very small in number.

 

It still frustrates me as I do attempt to honor ANYONE that claims ownership of things published on the web.  I also support their rights, however small they may be, to determine what can or should be done with those releases.  Even when there are times when it pains me, or when I think that the claimed right is bogus.  Of course, I also attempt to pay folks for shareware if it is something that I actually use more than once a year type of thing or if the requested payment is small enough that I can afford.  $50 per year is way too much for most shareware out there.  In my opinion, a lot of it is only worth a single payment for life, but I can't control that, all I can do is pay the once and be done with it.

 

Oh well, that is annother issue altogether, so again, if you can provide me with specific links that I can point to, I will gladly add my voice of complaint to the new host site just to add fuel to their expected refusal to host the content.

 

Let me know.

P.S. Edited for spelling.

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kamal

Checking their list of stuff, it looks like they only took nwn1 stuff as I don't see any nwn2 stuff I recognize. I'm afraid none of my stuff is there, so I can't help with an author claim.

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PLUSH HYENA of DOOM

HOPEFULLY, this will represent my final words on this matter...

(Pauses for the colossal sigh of relief from a Community glad that the ridiculously vengeful and embittered Shabby Hyena Thing has ceased foaming rabidly and will now go quiet again. At least until such time as something else annoys him.)

As things stand at this moment, I can apparently report a complete victory against the Spleen-shaped Forces of Spleendom.

With the aid of both Linode and Hetzner, who were both most helpful, the PHoD Projects taken by Spleens have now been deleted from the GamingIO site. One title remains, but links to nothing; could be just an oversight. Obviously I shall be going back and looking over GamingIO's site at random future points to ensure that none of my Projects suddenly and mysteriously reappear there again, but at this moment, my stuff is gone. GamingIO have now gone to the lengths of putting up a new Forum Topic on their site, addressed specifically to me, which serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever other than to agree assuredly (to my communication sent via Hetzner) that there is no reason for me to move on to really nasty official legal proceedings and Even Bigger Bricks. I'm thus prepared to accept that they've chosen to mutter darkly about me, delete the files and say no more about it. If the material remains deleted, then I'm quite happy to say no more about it either. It's not as if I WANT to waste my time on trivial nonsense like this, after all; it's just that whole "Snarl Pounce Bite" reflex of mine. Bad habit, I know, but I can't seem to shake it.

Does seem to prove though, that the instant, dismal cries of "there's nothing you can do" from the apathetic have all the practical validity of a concrete parachute. It's just a matter of being intransigent enough to BOTHER doing it.

Anyway, GamingIO still state that they just wanted to save NWN1 files 'cause the IGN Vault went down. That still sounds lame to me given that the IGN Vault went down YEARS before they came along and grabbed a hefty chunk of this completely different other site that just happens to have a similar name and blatantly isn't attached to the BioWare Forums which have recently also passed away. And maybe, just maybe, they're being honest in that assertion. As long as they're not hosting my Projects without even having the courtesy to ask me, then I don't mind what they do or why. Other people's files are their own affair... (In point of fact, there are several CCCs amongst the stuff GamingIO took, which include some of my Creatures and Placeables, but I'm not bothered about those and, besides, they're group efforts and not entirely mine to speak for anyway. It was the use of my own Projects with my demented Hyenaesque drivel accompanying them being posted without permission by some Spleen under a Spleen name that gave me no credit that put my hackles up... not that I'm not still suspicious that GamingIO could be borderline Spleen, but, as I say, if they leave me alone, I'll leave them alone.

So. That's how matters rest at present.

 

 

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kamal

Spleenonic warheads to the rescue... err... destruction!

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bannor9

Sometimes, people truly without forethought, only intend to be helpful and forget that the people they are attempting to "help" are still around and truly do not need nor want said "help."  At least they did remove your stuff which is all you can really ask for.

 

Glad that at least they did do that.  I am still willing to help anyone else along the way that needs an additional voice to add to a complaint, should such a person step up and request it. 

 

The remainder of the NWN1 community is so small now that I seriously doubt there will be much more in the future of this sort of thing, it is just not profitable enough in attracting attention to a website to make it worth the effort of stealing from someone else, which was what was surprising to me in the first place.  At the bare minimum, at least attempt to contact the original authors and see if they mind, want or do NOT want such an action to be performed.  With the various ways our electronic communities can contact each other, there is truly no reason for the lack of an attempt to contact the original author!

 

 

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PLUSH HYENA of DOOM

Quite. Takes no time to ask...

But Spleens, being creatures of debilitatingly low moral fibre, lack courtesy. And if there's one thing Human so-called Civilization is NEVER going to run short of until its moderately imminent demise, it's Spleens.

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Andarian

Nicely done, PHOD!

Would you be willing to briefly summarize the steps you took to get their attention? I need to follow up on this in the near future myself. The mod of mine that they uploaded to their site contains an explicit warning in several places that they did not have permission to do what they did. It also contains copyrighted story content of mine that I've started publishing as a series of novels. I tried emailing them to no response, but I've had to back-burner pursuing it further for a couple of months due to demands at work (not to mention editing the final draft of my first novel in the series). I'm finally ready to pick it up again this month, so your success at this was well timed.

Thanks again --

Andarian

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PLUSH HYENA of DOOM

Andarian; like you, I was considerably more concerned about (very minor, but still extant) links in my material and the written work they took, which alluded, obliquely or directly, to works I may be forced to have published through financial necessity, rather than being too bothered about a pile of actual models, textures and so forth...

Firstly, I had certain enquiries commenced to try to locate and identify the individual person/s running the GamingIO site - which I've currently suspended, since I don't want to waste my friends' time unecessarily - with the ultimate purpose of, if all else fails, confronting them physically face to face, either myself or by proxy. It is NOT impossible to find and identify someone across the internet if you know what you're doing and have the right equipment. I don't, but I know a couple of people who do...

Anyway, aside for making preparations for all-out war had it been required, the first proper and basic step was to contact Linode.com as identified by Proleric in his first post warning us of the Spleen Incursion. They were hosting GamingIO's site. I gave them a list of all my stuff, informed them of the situation - that GamingIO had lifted the stuff without permission and against their own stated policy and that I wanted my stuff removed from GamingIO's site. Linode communicated with the Spleens since I was not about to give the Spleens my (actually my mother's) e-mail address. Linode were very helpful and friendly and replied to me after a few days to say that GamingIO claimed to have removed my material as requested... The Spleens did not, however, delete all of my files.

I reported this to Linode who came back to say that the files were not now on their network and that GamingIO was operating via Hetzner... It seemed that the Spleens had moved to a different provider in hopes of avoiding any further such complaints. However, GamingIO claimed subsequently not to have moved but that Linode hosted only their blog, or something, and that the Forums and so forth had been with Hetzner anyway. Whether this is true I have no idea and don't much care. Point is, whatever the case, it's Hetzner you really need to talk to, not Linode.

The link I gave above (post 33) should get you where you need to go. Hetzner's way of operating presents you with a Form to fill in - which at first confused me due to my being easily confused and foaming at the muzzle on sight of anything in the tiniest bit unexpected (Linode hadn't had Forms). The Form is actually very straightforward. They ask you for a resolvable domain name or such and Hetzner advised me that you can just put "GamingIO" for that. (You can be more specific if you want, if you're more technically aware of website infrastructure than me). I was advised to choose "copyright breach" in the "type of complaint" box, which seems logical for you to choose also.

Then you get a big box where you can put in your complaint. As I understand it, this section is more or less forwarded, pretty much verbatim as you write it, to the Spleens. I made it a sort of hybrid explaining the situation to Hetzner combined with "politely" asking GamingIO to remove all my remaining material, restraining myself reasonably successfully from calling GamingIO anything too heinous beyond referring to them as "thieving Spleens". In this box I also included the specific links to all my Projects still on their site. I strongly recommend you do this. Of course, it means (before you tackle the Form) you first have to go through GamingIO's entire list of files - there is one list under their Downloads section, but there are other files you'll only see going through their Forums via "Mods, Add-ons and Fixes", so you need to check both. When you have noted down the links to each and every one of your Projects, however many that may be, you can include these on the Hetzner Form.

I also stated clearly, more for the Spleens' benefit than Hetzner's, that if my files were not removed, I would be pursuing more official, legal proceedings. I didn't specify what, but it probably does no harm to make the enemy aware that you are serious in your position. Not that I wanted to start all sorts of official rubbish, of course, 'cause it takes a lot of time and it's hassle I don't want, but I'm prepared to do anything I have to, if I really have to... Taking your own complaint seriously yourself is an important step.

The last thing on the Hetzner Form is a series of three choices where you can select "No, don't forward my complaint" - which appears to be singularly pointless OR "yes, forward my complaint to the Spleens but don't pass on my personal details (e-mail, etc)" - which is what I chose - OR "yes, pass on my complaint including personal details".

As a result of my message via Hetzner, all remaining PHoD material not already deleted was removed, with the exception of one title which remained on an empty, non-existent page, but the project itself had gone entirely. Therefore, I had no need to take any further steps in the end, even though I was already talking to a few people regarding what to try next... I was advised that the next step for a sane and rational person, which I'm not, being insanely vindictive, would be a full, official DMCA against GamingIO. (See rjshae's post 19, earlier in this thread, for that, if you need to).

Hopefully, however, you'll be able to do what you need to via Hetzner's Abuse Form... Don't worry if it takes a couple of days to get an e-mail back confirming that you've sent the Form. And then it'll probably be another few days before Hetzner contacts you again to say what results have occurred.

The final step, assuming GamingIO say they've removed your files when you send the Form to Hetzner, is to go back and look at GamingIO's site again both "on the ground" to check for any of your files and also to go through all the direct links you noted down to ensure that they don't link to anything any more...

Good hunting.

(For myself, being rabid and paranoid, I shall also be going back from time to time over the next weeks, months, probably even years, to ensure the Spleens haven't put my files back or taken any other ones.)

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bannor9

Nicely and succinctly explained.  Thank you very much.  It gives me a large plate of food for thought about how to proceed should I ever need to do so and shows how a more organized type of mind accomplishes a task that is a "what the hell do I do now?" sort of question.  I am actually bookmarking this discussion for future reference!

 

Thank you again, and sorry that YOU had to go through the hassel.  As I mentioned before, if you should ever need witnesses etc, let me know and I will gladly offer whatever help I can.

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Genisys

No offense intended here, but there is a lot of stuff uploaded to the nwvault that isn't "your stuff"... :P

(Just saying, jokingly of course. :)

All of my work has been moved to this community....

https://www.facebook.com/groups/nwnopencommunity/

 

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bannor9

Not sure exactly to whom you are addressing that statement, but I can positively assure you that no one else here was making ANY assumptions about anyone commenting on content that was not their own.  Please THINK CLEARLY and also READ CLEARLY before making such accusations or assumptions. 

By the by, why did you even bother to respond to the thread that you have not participated in with nothing other than an attack on an author of content that has a right to be concerned about the subject in the first place?

 

That is a really quick way to make enemies in this world.  Having stated "no offense" at the beginning of your statement does NOT clear you of the obligation to Read, And Think before you type such an insulting statement.  Otherwise, why would you have to type in "No offense intended" when what you typed actually does entirely define offense. 

 

Do me a favor, place my nick under your ignore list as I can assure you that you have now been placed on mine.

 

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PLUSH HYENA of DOOM

Genisys:-

No offense intended here, (just saying, jokingly of course)... but ARE YOU A SPLEEN?

I don't really need to actually reply to your singularly purposeless comment, since Bannor9 already has and has said what needs to be said, and without actually foaming rabidly - oh, such restraint - foam, froth, growl... but since I'm supposed to be oh-so-uncontrollably savage and vindictive, I suppose I'll be expected to snarl and snap a bit. So, snarling mildly, here goes...

Um... well... Bannor9 already said...

Oh, to Hell with it:- Warning... Entering Futile Tautology and Unecessary Repetition Mode. You see - even the title of the so-called Mode is tautologous!

Since Genisys put "your stuff" in quotes like that and since I've frequently referred to the PHoD material GamingIO took as "my stuff", I'll assume his comment was directed at me. Since neither Andarian nor Bannor9 had used similar use of the term "stuff" here, this seems a logical inference.

This therefore proves that Genisys is either a congenital imbecile who - even allowing for English perhaps not being their first language and my rabid foaming not being the clearest textual matter in all history - cannot understand a blatantly straightforward concept which everybody else understood perfectly well. OR, Genisys is simply making a totally pointless, random, uninformed comment by glancing at three words out of three hundred and making a post for no constructive reason at all, presumably with intent to irritate. This would prove that they are a SPLEEN.

Anybody who has actually read this thread, or even just the most recent posts I made, could not fail to have noticed that I have been referring to my own PHoD material throughout - often calling it things like "PHoD Projects" which does tend to indicate to any life form above the level of an amoeba that I'm talking about MY projects, you know, the ones with "PHoD" plastered all over them and not all the ones that don't - and at one point not very far back specifically said "other people's files are their own affair". Nobody who had read this thread properly and had sufficient intelligence to understand clearly and simply defined facts would imagine for a moment that I had at any time suggested that I was standing as some rubbish, self-appointed Guardian of the Vault. Why would I have bothered explaining to others the steps required to remove their files from GamingIO's site if I already just victoriously removed everyone's files from GamingIO's site, hm? Why would I have said "other people's files are their own affair" if I'd at any time concerned myself with them, hm? Why would I have asked Turkeys to give a vague overview of the "official Vault view on the matter" if I'd been leading a mad crusade of my own on the Vault's behalf, hm?

Or do you just object to my posting those steps as Andarian requested I do and thus perhaps losing GamingIO a few more files? Oooh, shock, horror... Perhaps "Genisys, are you a Spleen?" should be rephrased as "Genisys, are you a Spleen working for GamingIO?"

Genisys, if you are NOT in fact a SPLEEN, then do yourself a favour and read something through and understand it before commenting on it. You know, like at school, where you're supposed to READ the bit that says "2+2=" before you go writing "7" or something equally and hideously unrelated and irrelevant... and that's called an analogy, before you make a post claiming that I'm starting an illegal mathematics faculty on the Vault... and that's called feeble borderline sarcasm... oh, buy a dictionary if it helps...

There, you've made me foam rabidly for no good reason. Happy?

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Andarian

Well, this is interesting. I finally got around to creating an account on the GamingIO forum and using the "report" function on the page there for my module. (The account appears to be a pre-requisite for the report function to work.) I wrote a brief and polite note explaining that they did not have permission to host it and asking them to remove it.

That was a little over a week ago. I haven't heard anything in reply, but when I went today to check, my module page was no longer there:

http://forums.gamingio.com/topic/564-sanctum-of-the-archmage-the-sightdo...

Based on that experience, other builders who object to their re-hosting might have luck with the same process.

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henesua

Ugg. I didn't even know this was going on. Hadn't checked this thread. Thanks for this info, PHoD and Andarian.

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henesua

I created an account as well and sent a message. It looks to me that they need to take down every NWN project that was posted over there. I encourage everyone of you to do the same.

Create an account. Flag the projects that you see are breaching license and should be taken down. You do this by using the "This project is broken" link. This appears to be all of them. But just do what you think makes sense. Then send PMs to Vangel, and Hazephase.

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Genisys

Look PLUSH HYENA of DOOM, everything uploaded on the internet itself has become subject to confinscation, copyright infringements, and you name it....

I can take joke, but I won't ramble on like a foaming heyna as you did above....

I see it like this, you can do two things... get mad, and... GET OVER IT!

What you gonna do, call the cops?  LOL!

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TheBarbarian

Y'know, that's... not a very constructive comment to make either, Genisys.

Why on earth would you invest the the time and effort to post something like this? What positive effect could possibly come of ridiculing somebody for being annoyed?

I can see how you'd feel the need to respond offensively to PHoD's recent direct message to you, but even so - isn't it rather hypocritical to preach "get over it, move on" while simultaneously acting to perpetuate and escalate a budding conflict? Why shouldn't PHoD just be annoyed by the GamingIO thing if he/she/it wants to be?

Don't preach it, live it?

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thirdmouse

Genisys, you have made it clear what your opinion on this matter is, but it is equally clear that most of this thread disagrees. More than that, they have answered your rhetorical "what are you going to do" many times, with clear instructions and with satisfactory results. Your comments serve no purpose. If you don't mind your work being posted elsewhere, please consider following your own advice and get over, not just your work being lifted, but others caring about their own and doing something about it.

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