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Gadifer
Windows 10 updates slows NWN
So I've been playing NWN on my HP laptop for the past five years with no real problems until last Friday, when Microsoft released its latest batch of forced updates for Windows 10. The new updates caused NWN to slow immensely. I wouldn't say it's 100% unplayable, but it's damned annoying to be sure. I've uninstalled the updates and disabled the updating service so that I can continue playing NWN as normal, but I was wondering if anybody here had any idea what the specific issue might be or if there are any work-arounds short of the steps I've already taken.
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Surazal

No slow down for NWN on two of my desktop machines after the Windows 10 updates.

Given you are using a Laptop, could the power saver options have been changed and causing some issues?

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JusticeDragon

Made an account just for this very issue. I've tried uninstalling my disk version of nwn and installing GOG's but that didn't seem to help either. I don't see much lag if I load up my test mod (Just one single small area) but as soon as I leave it and return to the main menu it's a freeze-fest. Playing online is impossible, I can choose a character (Tested on a couple PWs) and the initial area loading I noticed takes more time and stutters a bit. As soon as initial area loads up my entire screen is nearly frozen, my screen is so frozen I can't even move the camera, if i keep pressing (repeated) the ESC key for a good 10 seconds, I finally get the menu to open up... But then it's back to repeatedly have to click a button for 5-10-15 seconds for it to actually "click." The only thing NOT frozen in this is the cursor. I've ran NWN fine on my laptop for years, but like you guys, just this past week or so (Haven't played in a week or two) all of a sudden Windows 10 updated and isn't playing nice. I've done all the standard tricks, CPU affinity/etc with still no change. Graphics are turned down all the way as well. I've tried standard nwn and nwncx, DM and player. Doesn't seem to matter. I've also looked at all my drivers on my Computer and it insists that none have been touched. Seriously at a loss for anything else to try.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4013429/windows-10-update-kb4013429 A link to the page that shows what was changed with the March 14 update, my eyes hurt from looking through it all, perhaps someone else can spot something?

EDIT: Downloaded the newest update and still screwy

(Copy/pasted from my response on the other topic)

So it seems like maybe an issue specific to windows 10 laptops?

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Tarot Redhand

Have you set (or possibly reset) the compatibility modes for NwN programs? Win 10 updates have been known to known to screw with user settings before.

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JusticeDragon

Yep, tried that very first.

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Tarot Redhand

The next one on the list are the drivers for your graphics and at a push your sound.

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Tarot Redhand

I've just had a win 10 64 bit update and an nvidia driver update. The win 10 update was to correct problems in the previous update. Have you had either of these and if so has yout problem been fixed?

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Gadifer

I installed the same Windows 10 update today, but it didn't change any of the problems with NWN.

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joaquim98

Same problem with me, right after the windows 10 update, so I used the restore tool and got the game working again, then turned off the PC and it updated windows 10 so the problem is back, I'm currently getting help from GoG, if they manage to find a fix I'll update you!

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HipMaestro
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It's not just Win10.  The latest batch of updates for my Win7Pro Compaq has also caused some NWN-wonkiness like getting my save games wiped out when the game crashes on the Save button.  Unpleasant. 

I suspect (at least with my issue) it has something to do with the graphics interface.  Haven't done it yet but will be checking for driver updates for my Nvidia.  Perhaps that may help these sorts of issues with all MS OS's, basically what Tarot was intimating.  The problem is, it takes the card manufacturer a while to release fixes for OS changes so in the meantime, all that can be done is tread water until the full impact reaches the staff.

Madness... a blessing for the chosen few.

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JusticeDragon

Hopefully GOG will be able to find a solution, with this nearly 4 year old laptop, Intel hasn't produced any new drivers in quite a long time. ALSO. Already checked all my drivers, they're all up to date. Strangely enough, the sound of the area I log into works perfectly... It's just everything else that's frozen.

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Tarot Redhand

HipMaestro, I just got a hot fix update today for win 7 (I run a dual boot win 10/win 7 PC), maybe that'll help?

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Tarot Redhand

JusticeDragon did you know that intel make a utility to check for newer drivers for their chips. You can get it here. I know about this because I have had to replace my motherboard in the past year and the maker of said motherboard didn't have the latest ones so I went to intels site and found it. It saved me a lot of time.

<edit 10 minutes later>

Oh the irony. After I posted this, I noticed that there was a newer version of this utility so downloaded it, installed it and ran it. Would you believe there was an update for one of my drivers!

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niv

I've installed the new Win10 updates and I'm not seeing any glitchiness.

Did you try pinning NWN to a individual core, instead of letting the scheduler take it for walkies? There's a ini flag for it, or the Task Manager can do it (to test).

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niv

There's a really well-hidden utility microsoft publishes that allows you to hide/deslect specific KB updates: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3073930/how-to-temporarily-prev...

Scroll to the bottom and find the download link for wushowhide.diagcab. Windows will probably trample all over you after a while like MS does these days, but it should get it off your back for a few weeks.

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HipMaestro
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@Tarot: Window Updates apply automatically on this machine.  Originally, I used to try to filter them but most of the details are beyond my comprehension so just let them install with the hope that they won't upset the status quo of the system. If I had to rely on my own underatnding of the details before installing... nothing would get updated.  Is the hot fix you mentioned auto-installed or one that needs to be DL'd/installed independently?

I finally found a relatively current driver update (it's listed as 2017) for my Quadro NVS (it's not GeForce :( ).  So far, the loading and FPS in the vanilla game seems better though I haven't incurred the Save crash I described... yet.  In some topic I commented (can't recall atm) about how the music seemed to skip right around the time the Save anomaly would trigger.  The music has been playing fine so far. 

In any case, the driver update that Windows uses in the Device Manager for the Display Adapter(s) that is supposed to be scanning for updates, doesn't work.  It just keeps cycling infinitely.  I had to hunt down and DL the driver myself from the Nvidia support site and finding new legacy drivers there was not easy, well-buried beneath their most popular new components.  IIRC the DL was around 350 Mb so it took around 10 mins to retrieve.  The installation, however, was fast.

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Tarot Redhand

Even though I have my win 7 setup to notify me when updates are ready the hotfix appears to have downloaded automatically. BTW I have learned the hard way to never allow ms to install video drivers. They tend to be generic and on an earlier graphics card my my then system unstable (BSOD etc). Crossing my fingers for you.

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kevL's
  • BTW I have learned the hard way to never allow ms to install video drivers.

agreed. In fact i never install any hardware drivers from MS. I tried an upgrade for my monitor driver and the screen went black. had a Dickens of a time fixing it ....

(i probly used Safemode to rollback, but was a long time ago)

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joaquim98

GoG told me that they tried to recreate the problem with 4 computers that had the latest windows 10 update, but they couldn't recreate the problem so there is nothing they can do, they told me to wait for a future windows 10 update. Also they said that changing the sound provider might help...

No more neverwinter I guess T.T

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HipMaestro
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@ Tarot: OMG! I never thought MS would fool with modifying drivers.  I've been under the assumption that the updates were related to security and correcting system script that they botched.  I'm not only naive but way too trusting, it appears.  Thanks for the warning and the hand gesture, mate. ;)  It's looking like I'm going to need to go back to verifying every update attempt and just hope I understand enough of their details to identify elements like changes to drivers.

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joaquim98

Ok so after plenty of tries I think I've figuered out a way to get around the problem, I tested it twice but this may not help you.

Go to Windows Update>Update History>Windows 10 KB4015438>Uninstall

Restart your computer.

 

After that it'll work(hopefully) if that's the case once you restart again the problem will return.

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JusticeDragon

Sooo I tried this, but apparently uninstalling that update deleted part of the kernel and long story short... I now have windows 8 on my laptop

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LordCorvin

Did anyone manage to fix the problem? I have same issue.

Playing on Intel Integrated Graphics 2000. I think my case is Anniversary update screwed something up. As drivers don't get updated anymore.

 

Edit: Uninstalling kb4019472 fixed the stuttering problem for me.

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MelodyIsolde

Also having the same problem. Impossible slow and game is unplayable. I tryed so much I'm desperate.

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Falconace
Howdy, so I decided to boot the game up again after several months and I experienced the same problem as above, where the game slows to crawl after entering the character selection menu and loading a module. It does definitely have something to do with a past Windows 10 update since I was able to play the game smoothly at the beginning of this year.

I did some research on the GOG forums, and some seem to believe this is an issue with Intel graphics chipsets.

Currently the only work-around I've found for this is to set up a Windows XP virtual machine and run the game there; you can do this freely and legally by downloading VirtualBox and "Windows XP mode" from the Microsoft website and following the instructions I've posted here.

Only catch is that the "Windows XP mode" is only free for 30 days, and to keep using it you'll either need to purchase a WinXP key or reinstall it; but hopefully this helps some folks here. Only other solution I can think of right now would be to play it on a computer without Intel graphics, or purchase a new graphics card (e.x. Nvidia):

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/download-windows-xp-for-free-and-legally-st...

https://www.technibble.com/how-to-create-a-windows-xp-virtual-machine/

https://www.howtogeek.com/189974/how-to-share-your-computers-files-with-...

Also, for the record, I checked my update history, but it only goes back to May, and I don't see either of the "KB" updates mentioned above.

EDIT: In hindsight, I just recalled that when I first bought my current PC around December of last year, it came with Windows 7 installed by default (but had a license Key for Windows 10 update), so now that I recall, the last time I played the game prior to the issues was likely before I upgraded it to Windows 10. So another option for folks who have a Windows 7 license key might be to install Win7 on their rig as a separate OS installation and run NWN from there.
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Falconace
Update to my above post:

So I tried the method mentioned above, as well as installing Win7 on a separate hard drive partition, and while they solved the specific slowdown problem above, for some unknown reasons NWN still ran much slower than normal, but I finally found a method that worked which doesn't require messing around with "KB" updates or just rebooting your rig to factory default settings:

1. If you have a legitimate Product Key for Windows 10, then download an ISO file of an older version for free (after finishing the installation guide below, you can enter your Product Key) - I won't link any of the websites for this here, but the version I downloaded was 1507.

2. Follow the instructions here to create a separate hard drive partition on your PC (e.x. you'll just be allocating a number of GBs of unused disk space to a new hard drive, which will function like an attached USB drive, as long as you have a lot of unused hard drive space on your rig, this should be no problem):

https://www.howtogeek.com/214477/how-to-dual-boot-two-or-more-versions-o...

3. To install another copy of Windows 10 to a separate partition, you'll need to either burn it to a DVD or a flash drive (you can use a free tool called Rufus for the latter), and then restart your computer and boot the DVD/flash drive upon startup by pressing F2 (once the second OS is installed, whenever you boot up your computer you'll be prompted to choose the OS you want to use):

https://www.groovypost.com/howto/create-windows-10-bootable-usb-flash-dr...

4. After you've installed the separate copy of Windows 10, follow these instructions to disable automatic Windows updates:

http://www.intowindows.com/how-to-disable-windows-update-in-windows-10/

5. After that, install Neverwinter Nights on your new Win10 hard drive and boot it from there; I did this and it's running perfectly now.

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While this is a hassle, it's the only solution I've found right now other than possibly resetting your PC to factory specs, or upgrading your graphics card.
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jjglvz

With my NWN it runs fine for about 10 seconds, then jerky and slow for 10 secs then smooth again. Smooth, jerky, smooth, jerky. It's not technically unplayable but it's horribly frustrating to have constant slowdown for no apparent reason. I don't really want to go to the extent of installing two Windows 10s, so no NWN1 for me for now. :(

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jjglvz

^^^^^ Actually NWN2 is doing the exact same thing as well. Soooo annoying. I don't know if it's the Creator update's fault but I'll blame it anyway. If anyone knows a fix please post, or I will if I find a solution.

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joaquim98

Microsoft posted a couple weeks ago that they'll look into it, beacuse it happens with a lot of old games to lots of people.

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jjglvz

The Wndows creators update-update is due on the 17th of this month and apparently includes 1(one) fix for the reported problems. Fingers crossed.

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joaquim98

Newest windows update fixes the slowdown issue.

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Tarot Redhand

Screws up the layout on your HD and forgets your router password though cool. Took my defrag program about 3/4 hour to sort it out. On the plus side, finally got a new picture for windows at loading time.

TR

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